Bisiklet yarışında kaza: 3 Bisikletçi hayatını kaybetti...

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" Güney Afrika’nın turizm kenti Cape Town’da düzenlenen "Cape Town Bisiklet Turu" yarışmasında 3 bisikletçi hayatını kaybetti."

Yarış organizatörü David Bellairs, yaptığı açıklamada, dün başlayan ve bugün sona eren "Cape Town Bisiklet Turu" yarışmasında bisikletçiler arasında iki farklı zincirleme kaza meydana geldiğini söyledi.

Bellairs, kazalarda 3 yarışmacının hayatını kaybettiğini bildirdi.

Organizasyonda her türlü güvenlik öneminin alındığını belirten Bellairs, kazalarla ilgili soruşturma başlatıldığını kaydetti.

Dünyanın her yerinden bisikletçilerin katıldığı ve 40 yıldan beri organize edilen yarışmaya bu yıl 35 bin yarışmacının katıldığı belirtildi.

Yarış geçen yıl hızı saatte 120 kilometreye varan rüzgar sebebi ile iptal edilmişti."

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Zincirleme kazada birkaç kişiden fazla yarışçı ölmüş müdür bilmiyorum.

2011 Giro di İtalya'da Wouter Weylandt vefat etmişti.Sevilen ve yetenekli bir bisikletçiydi.

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ImageNameCompetitive statusDate of deathNationalityNotes
Pierre FrogetTrack cyclistAugust 21, 1894
France
Velodrome of Vichy. Crash while tandem racing as a track cyclist. Died 6 days later at the age of 21, was the first death in a cycling accident on a French track.[4]
AW "Bert" HarrisTrack cyclist (professional)April 21, 1897
United Kingdom
Known as "Bert Harris" or "Invincible Harris", he was the fastest short-distance rider in England, the first Professional Cycling Champion of England and was one of the most well-known athletes of his day. His last and fatal race was held at Aston on Easter Monday of 1897 where his cycle touched another rider and he was upset head-first onto the track's surface. Harris died a few days later, never having regained consciousness, and tens of thousands of mourners lined the streets of Leicester for his funeral procession.[5][6][7][8][9][10][Note 3]
Oscar Aaronson[Note 4]Track cyclistDecember 22, 1900
Sweden
Injured during December 16, 1900 competitors' crash at the New York City/Madison Square Garden Six-Day Race.[11][12][13] Died on the 22nd from aftereffects of crash, from exhaustion and pneumonia.[14]
Harry ElkesTrack cyclistMay 30, 1903
United States
Charles River Track, Cambridge, Massachusetts.[15][16][17] Elkes held the world record for "paced-cycle racing" during most of his career and just prior to his fatal accident had achieved a new 5 Miles World Record, going that distance in 6 minutes, 12 1/5 seconds.[15] Marshall Taylor in his autobiography called Elkes "one of the greatest middle-distance riders that ever pedalled a bicycle."[18]
Edouard Taylor[Note 5]Track cyclist1903[17][Note 6]
France
Aubervilliers, France. In 1899 Taylor held a National (Stayers) Championship of France and in 1900 he was 3rd at the European Championships, 2nd at the World Championships and also beat Henry Elkes by 300 metres in a 50-mile race.[19] In his last year of competition he placed 3rd at the World Stayers Championship.[20][21]
Alfred GörnemannOctober 11, 1903
German Empire
Dresden track[22]
PilackTrack cyclist, pacemakerJune 16, 1904
German Empire ?
[22][23]
Paul DanglaTrack cyclistJune 18, 1904
France
1903 World Record-holder (Track), Dresden track[1][24] France, track cyclist[Note 7][25][26]
Karl KäserTrack cyclistAugust 14, 1904
German Empire
Plauen track[27][28]
George LeanderTrack cyclistAugust 23, 1904
United States
[17][29]
Charles Albert BrécyTrack cyclistNovember 25, 1904
France
Parc des Princes velodrome,[30] track cyclist[Note 8]
Hubert SevenichTrack cyclistMay 7, 1905
German Empire
[31][32]
Willy SchmitterTrack cyclistSeptember 18, 1905
German Empire
European Championship, Leipzig track,[33] track cyclist, September 18, 1905, European Championship[34]
Gustav FreudenbergTrack cyclistApril 29, 1906
German Empire
[35][36]
Richard HuhndorfTrack cyclist (amateur)July 22, 1906
German Empire
[37][38]
Charles PeguyTrack cyclistJune 9, 1907
France
[39]
Louis MettlingTrack cyclistJune 21, 1907
United States
[40][41]
Josef SchwarzerPace makerAugust 30, 1907
German Empire
Düsseldorf track[42]
Moritz HübnerTrack cyclist (amateur)October 13, 1907
German Empire
[43][44]
Gustav SchadebrodtTrack cyclistOctober 22, 1907
German Empire
[45]
Ernst WolfPace makerOctober 29, 1907
German Empire
[46]
Tim JohnsonTrack cyclistApril 24, 1907
United Kingdom
[47]
Karel VerbistTrack cyclistJuly 21, 1909
Belgium
[48] Bruxelles track. Verbist collided with his pacemaker's (Constant Ceurremans') motorcycle.[49][50]
Verbist is the subject of a macabre Flemish folk-poem... "Chareltje, Chareltje Verbist, hadt ge niet gereden op de pist(e), hadt ge niet gelegen in de kist."[51] which roughly translates to "Verbist, if you hadn’t ridden your bike, you may not have ended up in a coffin."
Fritz TheileTrack cyclistJune 4, 1911
German Empire
Zehlendorf Velodrome[52]
Hans BachmannPace maker1913
German Empire
Velodrome Hall [53]
Hans LangeTrack cyclist1913
German Empire
Velodrome Hall[53]
August KraftTrack cyclistJuly 25, 1913
German Empire
Strasbourg, France[54]
Richard ScheuermannTrack cyclistSeptember 8, 1913
German Empire
Cologne track. 100 kilometer event. Gus Lawson, Paul Guignard's pacemaker, lost control of his pacemaking motorcycle when the back tire blew out. Emil Meinhold, Scheuermann's pacemaker, then collided - at 50 mph on his motorcycle - straight into the wreckage.[55][56] Scheuermann and Lawson were both killed almost instantly. Meinhold was mistakenly reported in the newspapers of the day to have died (which error has been repeated in modern references[57]) but he recovered from his injuries and was involved in the cycling world for many years afterwards.[58] See de:Emil Meinhold (Emil Meinhold article in German Wikipedia)
Gus LawsonPace makerSeptember 8, 1913
United States
Cologne track. 100 kilometer event.[56] (See Richard Scheuermann 'Notes' above.)
Max HansenTrack cyclistOctober 12, 1913
German Empire
Berlin Velodrome Stadium[53]
Piet van Nek Sr.Track cyclistApril 14, 1914
Netherlands
Leipzig track[59]
Willy HamannTrack cyclistJuly 21, 1914
German Empire
Treptow track.The accident occurred on July 15, Hamann died six days later in hospital.[60]
Max BauerPace maker1917
German Empire
Treptow track[61]
Jacob EsserTrack cyclistJuly 8, 1917
German Empire
Düsseldorf Germany track[62][63]
Louis DarragonTrack cyclistApril 28, 1918
France
Vélodrome d'Hiver Paris[64]
Peter GüntherTrack cyclistOctober 7, 1918
German Empire
Düsseldorf.[65] Guenther died the day after an October 6 accident involving his collision with his pacemaker's motorcycle after the motorcycle's rear tire burst.[66]
Hans SchneiderTrack cyclistJanuary 1920
Weimar Republic
[67]
Emanuel KudelaTrack cyclistSeptember 22, 1920
Weimar Republic
Olympia track Berlin[68]
Christian OorlemansPace makerAugust 22, 1922
Netherlands
Amsterdam track[69]
Walter EbertTrack cyclistJune 1, 1924
Weimar Republic
Magdeburg track[70]
Gustave GanayTrack cyclistAugust 23, 1926
France
Stayer. Died from a fall at the Parc des Princes.[71] The accident was immortalized by Ernest Hemingway in A Movable Feast with "where we saw that great rider Ganay fall and heard his skull crumple under the crash helmet as you crack an hard-boiled egg against a stone to peel it on a picnic."[72]
Franz KrupkatTrack cyclistJune 1, 1927
Weimar Republic
Leipzig track[73]
Ernst FejaTrack cyclistJune 1, 1927
Weimar Republic
[74]
Constant CeurremansPace makerJune 18, 1931
Belgium /
Netherlands
Was also involved in Karel (Charles) Verbist's fatal crash in 1909.[49][75]
Werner KrügerPace makerJuly 21, 1931
Weimar Republic
Kruger died after a fall on the Cologne-Riehl track during a stayer race, while riding as a pacemaker for Emil Thollembeek.[76]
Georg Pawlack[Note 9]Track cyclistJune 10, 1933
Nazi Germany
Pawlack was run over by a pacemaker after his bicycle slipped on a rain-soaked track.[77]
Georges LemaireSeptember 29, 1933
Belgium
Belgian club championship, Uccle, Belgium [78][Note 10]
Emil RichliMay 13, 1934
Switzerland
Switzerland track championships. Track cyclist[79]
Francisco CepedaJuly 14, 1935
Spain
Tour de France. Died while making the Col du Galibier descent[80]
Len JohnsonAugust 8, 1936
Australia
Melbourne to Sale Race. Johnson was riding on the Princes Highway, when he slowed due to a puncture and was hit by a truck laden with timber.[81]
Stefan VegerNovember 1936
Netherlands
Track Gent[82]
André RaynaudMarch 1937
France
Antwerp Sportpaleis[49][83]
Adrian ButtafocchiJuly 6, 1937
France
Col Esteret, Grand Prix d'Antibes. Crash with a truck during race[84]
Hefty StuartDecember 9, 1938
Australia
Riding in a motor pacing event, Stuart’s front tyre blew out, causing him to fall and he was run over by a following pacing motorcycle. Stuart died in hospital two weeks later [85]
Jean AlavoineJuly 18, 1943
France
Died during a veteran race in Argenteuil.[86][87]
Richard DepoorterJune 16, 1948
Switzerland
Crashed into a tunnel wall on a "descent of the Sustenpas near Bern"[88] during the Tour of Switzerland, died onsite or shortly thereafter of his injuries.[89][90][91]
Léon LevelMarch 26, 1949
France
"Parc des princes" track, Paris (track cyclist) [92]
Paul KrollNovember 8, 1949
Germany
Berlin "1000 laps", Funkturm track[93][Note 11]
Gerard ("Gerrit") van BeekMarch 15, 1951
Netherlands
Berlin Six Days. Died of a fatal skull fracture suffered during race.[94][95]
Camille DanguillaumeJune 26, 1951
France
Killed in collision with press motorcycle during Critérium International (Championship of France)[96][97][98]
Serse CoppiJune 29, 1951
Italy
Crashed near the end of the 1951 Tour of Piedmont (aka "Tour du Piedmont" and "Giro del Piemonte"). Finished race but then died on June 29, 1951.[99][100]
Rudi MirkeDecember 10, 1951
Germany
Berlin Six Day. Died after falling during the race.[101][Note 12]
Orfeo PonsinMay 20, 1952
Italy
Giro d'Italia[102]
Erich MetzeMay 28, 1952[Note 13]
Germany
[103]
Stan OckersOctober 1, 1956
Belgium
1955 World Champion (Road Race) track race at the Sportpaleis Antwerp[104][105][Note 14]
Russell MockridgeSeptember 13, 1958
Australia
Tour of Gippsland[107][108][Note 15]
Knud Enemark JensenSeptember 1960
Denmark
1960 Summer Olympic Games. The first competitor's death to occur during the modern Olympic era, Jensen collapsed during a 100-kilometer team time trial, suffering a skull fracture and dying several hours later. Some commentators state that Jensen's autopsy revealed traces of drugs in his system but the Italian authorities' 1961 report stated that the official cause of death was heatstroke. A race-day temperature of 40 degrees Celsius/93 degrees Fahrenheit and Jensen's post-accident care (being kept in a "hot military tent"), could have been probable contributing factors.[109][110][111][112][113][114][115]
Alessandro FantiniMay 5, 1961
Italy
Died after a crash at the end of the sixth stage of the 1961 Tour of Germany.
Tom SimpsonJuly 13, 1967
United Kingdom
Tour de France.[116][117] 1965 World Road Race Champion,[118][119][Note 16]
Valentin UrionaJuly 30, 1967
Spain
Spanish Championship [120][121]
José SamynAugust 28, 1969
France
Zingem, Belgium [122]
Radames Treviño[123]April 12, 1970
Mexico
Crashed during a regional race between Pachuca and Mexico City[124]
Jean-Pierre MonseréMarch 15, 1971
Belgium
1970 World Champion. Grand Prix de Retie.[125][126][Note 17][127]
Manuel GaleraFebruary 14, 1972
Spain
Tour of Andalusia[128][129]
Graeme JoseJune 23, 1973
Australia
While taking part in a race in Feldkirch Austria, he ran into the rear of a parked tray topped lorry and was killed.[130]
Juan Manuel Santisteban[Note 18]May 21, 1976
Spain
Giro d'Italia. Died as a result of injuries when his head struck a crash barrier.[80][102]
Karl KaminskiAugust 10, 1978
East Germany
Leipzig[131]
Joaquim AgostinhoMay 10, 1984
Portugal
During the Tour of Algarve.[132] Died ten days after colliding with a dog who had run onto the race-course.[133]
Emilio RavasioMay 28, 1986
Italy
Giro d'Italia[102]
Vicente MataFebruary 17, 1987
Spain
Trofeo Luis Puig[134] Died after colliding with a car during race.
Michel GoffinFebruary 27, 1987
Belgium
Tour du Haut-Var in Marseilles France.[135][136] Goffin crashes and, after spending six days in a coma, dies from his injuries.[134]
Connie MeijerAugust 17, 1988
Netherlands
A criterium in the Netherlands[137]
Fabio CasartelliJuly 18, 1995
Italy
Tour de France.[138][139][140] Casartelli was the reigning Olympic Champion at the time of his crash and subsequent death.[134]
José Antonio Espinosa[Note 19]November 1996
Spain
Fuenlabrada[141][142][Note 20]
Manuel SanromaJune 19, 1999
Spain
Volta a Catalunya[143]
Saúl MoralesFebruary 28, 2000
Spain
Tour of Argentina[144]
Nicole ReinhartRoad and track cyclist (professional)September 17, 2000
United States
Arlington Massachusetts circuit race[145]
Andrey KivilevRoad cyclist (professional)March 12, 2003
Kazakhstan
Paris–Nice[146]
Brett MalinRoad cyclist (amateur)June 17, 2003
United States
Race Across America[147][148]
Juan BarreroRoad cyclist (amateur)June 11, 2004
Colombia
Vuelta a Colombia ("Tour of Colombia")[149]
Tim PauwelsSeptember 26, 2004
Belgium
A cyclo-cross race in Belgium[150]
Alessio GallettiRoad cyclist (professional)June 15, 2005
Italy
Subida al Naranco[151][152]
Bob BreedloveRoad cyclist (amateur)June 25, 2005
United States
Race Across America[147]
Isaac GálvezRoad cyclist (professional)November 26, 2006
Spain
Six Days of Ghent. Galvez died after coming into contact with Dimitri De Fauw and then crashing into a track railing.[153][154]
Bruno NevesRoad cyclist (professional)May 11, 2008
Portugal
Classica de Amarante.[155] Neves' collapse from heart failure caused him to crash during the race.[156][157][158]
Thomas CasarottoSeptember 10, 2010
Italy
During the Giro del Friuli Venezia Giulia[159] at Pesariis,[160] Casarotto hit the wing mirror of a SUV parked on the course[160] and then crashed. He died September 15, 2010 of head injuries and trauma.[161]
Wouter WeylandtRoad cyclist (professional)May 9, 2011
Belgium
Fatal Crash on the Passo del Bocco during the third stage of the 2011Giro d'Italia[162]
Wouter DewildeMarch 1, 2013
Belgium
[163]
Junior HeffernanRoad cyclist (amateur)March 3, 2013
Ireland
Died after collision with a car during the Severn Bridge Road Race in Gloucestershire.[164]
Jeanné NellTrack cyclistFebruary 11, 2014
South Africa
Died in Cape Town, South Africa, during a keirin race.[165]
Annefleur KalvenhaarMountainbikerAugust 23, 2014
Netherlands
Died in Grenoble, France, due to an accident during a UCI World Cup XCE race in Méribel, France.[166]
Will OlsonEnduroAugust 2, 2015
United States
Died in Crested Butte during an Enduro World Series race.[167]
Antoine DemoitiéRoad cyclist (professional)
Wanty–Groupe Gobert
March 27, 2016
Belgium
Died in hospital in Lille, due to injuries sustained in an accident during the Gent-Wevelgem race. Having been one of a group of cyclists who fell as the race went through Sainte-Marie-Cappel, he was struck by a motorbike accompanying the race.[168]
Daan MyngheerRoad cyclist (professional)
Roubaix–Lille Métropole
March 28, 2016
Belgium
Died in hospital two days after suffering a heart attack during first stage of Criterium International[169][170]
Randall FoxRoad cyclist
(collegiate cyclist)
March 29, 2016
United States
Died following a crash during a collegiate road race. He lost control of his bike on a descent and collided with a guardrail.[171][172]
Gijs VerdickRoad cyclist (professional)
Cyclingteam Jo Piels
May 9, 2016
Netherlands
Died a week after suffering two heart attacks at the Under-23 Carpathian Couriers Race in Poland.[173]
Diego Andrés Suta RobayoRoad cyclist (amateur)August 30, 2016
Colombia
Suta, who was competing in the Vuelta de la Juventud for the first time, was descending the Alto de Daza just 12 km into the 162 km stage 2 when he crashed on a turn and suffered fatal head injuries.[174]
Bahman GolbarnezhadRoad cyclist
Iranian Paralympic
September 17, 2016
Iran
2016 Summer Paralympics. Died after suffering a cardiac arrest on the way to hospital after his head injury during a collision with a rock midway through the race in Pontal, Rio de Janeiro, during the C4 road race of the Paralympics.[175][176]
Dejan MaricRoad cyclist (amateur)September 25, 2016
Serbia
Died during the Wuyi Mountain cycling race in southeast Chinas Fujian province.[177][178]
Eslam Nasser ZakiRoad and track cyclistMarch 20, 2017
Egypt
Suffered a fatal heart attack while riding in the omnium event at the African Continental Track Championships at the Cyril Geoghegan Velodrome in Durban, South Africa.[179] He was a member of the Bahraini VIB Bikes road race team.
Mike HallRoad endurance cyclistMarch 31, 2017
United Kingdom
Died after being struck by a car on the outskirts of Canberra, Australia. He was in second place in a 3,300 mile race, the Indian Pacific Wheel Race, which was subsequently cancelled.[180]
Chad YoungRoad cyclist (professional)
Axeon Hagens Berman
April 28, 2017
United States
Received severe head injuries in a fall on a descent during the final stage of the Tour of the Gila into Pinos Altos, New Mexico and died in hospital in Tucson five days later.[181]
Casey SaundersRoad cyclist (professional)June 25, 2017
United States
Died after crashing in the Pro-1-2 criterium at Tour of Kansas City.[182]
Mathieu RiebelRoad cyclist (professional)
Shell Pacific team
October 20, 2017
France
Died instantly in the collision which happened on the descent of the Col de La Pirogue during Stage 9 of the Tour de Nouvelle-Calédonie (fr).[183]
Liste çok uzunmuş :(

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Normal düşmede kırık çıkık, hastanede yatma,hatta felce kadar sonuçlar çıkarda,kafada kask olduğu zamanki kazada ölüm olması biraz garipmiş. Belki,zincirleme kazada, hayati noktalardan darbe falan almış olabilirler.(omurlik soğanı vs)
 

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Birinci kural kask takınca ''ölümsüz'' olmuyoruz.Altın Elbiseli Adam Barkın Ağabey hep böyle derdi.O'na da Allah'tan rahmet diliyorum.

Kask takmayalım gibi bir anlam çıkartmayalım
 

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Motorun hızı ile bisikletin bir değilki kask konularını karşılaştırsak. Bir insanın iki teker üzerinde iken yapacağı kazada ölme ihtimalini kafa,boyun bölgelerinden alacağı darbeler daha çok belirler.Tabi sadece düşmelerde. Araç çarpması,bir şeyin altında kalma,ezilme,bir yerlerden uçma,üzerine bir şey düşmesi vs gibi konular farklı şeyler.Buradak konu bisikletlilerin çarpışması.Vücutlarına bisiklet parçları zarar vermediği sürece,kafa,boyun bölgelerini koruduğu sürece ölümlü kaza başka nereden gelir bilemiyorum.Solunumu dursa, orada illaki ilk yardım görevlileri vardır. O yüzden kask çok önemli, aslında motorcuların kullandığı gibi sırtlıklardanda takılsa daha güvenli olur,omurlik hasarı neredeyse ölümle eş değer bir yaralanma.Allah hepimizi kazalardan korusun...
 
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Bisiklet kaskı çok yüksek kuvvetlere dayanabilen bir nesne malesef değil.
@Raptor8
Motor kaskının mukavemet değerleri de bisiklet kasklarından çok çok üstün bunu da gözönünde bulundurmak lazım.
 

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Bende onu diyorum hocam, bisikletle çarpışan bir kişi en azından biraz frenlemeyle beraber hızını 40kmnin altına çekmesi lazım.O hızlada zaten bedenlerde çarpışacağı için kafada kaskları kafayı koruması lazım,zaten çin malı göstermelik kaskta kullanacaklarını sanmıyorum.Gerçi ölüm nedenlerinide bilmiyoruz.Bir bisiklet kaskı,bir bisikletin azami çıkacağı hızda,kafayı korumayacaksa,ne anladın ondan.Burada bahsettiğim nokta,bisiklet kaskı bisikletçiyi bir çok ölümcül kazadan kurtaran bir ekipmandır.Tabiki bir motorcu kaskı gibi olamaz,lakin bir bisikletin çıkacağı hızda bir motorunki gibi olmaz.(normal şartlarda,sen aracın arkasına asılıp 60km üstü gidersen, gidersin. :) ) Acaba ölüm sebebi ne denmiş...
 
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@Raptor8 Bir yerlerde okumuştum kaynağı bulursam paylaşırım.25 km/sa hızdan sonra ''game over'' riski büyük oranda artıyormuş.:(
 
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@hamlet2006'in yolladığı listede en sağdaki sütunda olay hakkında detay da verilmiş. Pekçok vaka yokuş aşağı yüksek hızla giderken düşme sonucu olmuş, yüksek hız derken 70-80 km/h falan, bu bayağı öldürücü hız. 1935 Fransa Turu'ndaki olayda uçurumdan uçmuş. Bazı kalp krizi ve sıcak çarpması vakaları da var. Bir de 1967 Fransa Turu'nda dopingden giden de olmuş. Mesela 1903 Harry Elkes vakasında 5 mili (8km) 6 dakika 12 saniyede tamamladığından bahsediliyor, bu 77 km/h ortalama hız anlamına gelir, bir de kask yoksa başında vah ki vah.
 

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Sağ kalma ihtimalini biraz arttirir, mesela %30 ise %40 yapar belki. Kaza işi şans işi ve o kaos içinde darbeyi kafasının arkasından alırsa kask kurtarabilir, takla atarsa kurtarmaz, yuvarlanırsa kurtarır vs.
Savaşta yere yatmak da sizi kurtarmaz ama vurulma ihtimalinizi düşürür.
 

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Kask mutlaka takılmalı burada hemfikiriz.
Pro peletonda kask takılması ise 2003 de zorunlu kılınmış:İlginç
 

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@halil halil
Geçen yıl adamı alıp stratosfere çıkaracak kadar güçlü rüzgar, bu yıl 3 bisikletçinin ölmesi (çok üzücü :(), bu Cape Town turunda bir cenabetlik var bakalım ama hayırlısı ...
 
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